the last time i saw president obama do a joint interview, he was with michelle obama last time i saw hillary do a joint interview, she was with bill. >> what am i missing? >> not sure they are cynical. >> taking it at face value. the face value this is extraordinary. a president doesn't do a sit-down interview with a member of the cabinet. >> i think it helped her coming out of the benghazi hearings, number one. number two, hillary touched on something that i think people kind of laughed you off, the spouses take it harder, and that is a direct reference to bill clinton. bill came up. >> that's what she said. >> having been a spouse and a candidate, i think spouses take it much harder. you know, in a way, just as the president said, we're out there and responding minute by minute. and you don't have time to sit around and think about what, you know, some insult that you have felt you have suffered. >> so was the idea to show the nation -- we're over it, we're friends. they were really very genuinely chatty and charmy. >> that's the whole idea. i think it took a while, you know, for b